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number: 870
title: "Windsurf forked VS Code to compete with Cursor. Talking the future of AI + Coding"
date: 1737547200000
url: https://traffic.libsyn.com/syntax/Syntax_-_870.mp3
youtube_url: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptekg6GNzIQ
guest:
- name: Kevin Hou
github: khou22
twitter: kevinhou22
of: Windsurf
url: https://wind.surf/
- name: Varun Mohan
twitter: _mohansolo
of: Windsurf
url: https://wind.surf/
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Wes and Scott talk with Kevin Hou and Varun Mohan from Windsurf about the evolving landscape of AI in coding, and the future of software development.

### Show Notes

* **[00:00](#t=00:00)** Welcome to Syntax!
* **[00:50](#t=00:50)** The origins of Windsurf and Codeium
* [Windsurf](https://wind.surf/)
* [Codeium](https://codeium.com/)
* [Vs Code](https://code.visualstudio.com/)
* [Cursor](https://www.cursor.com/)
* **[03:14](#t=03:14)** Rethinking IDE UX
* **[05:45](#t=05:45)** Will Microsoft eventually implement these AI features in VS Code?
* **[09:27](#t=09:27)** The "agentic" editor concept
* **[17:58](#t=17:58)** The future of software development with AI
* **[24:37](#t=24:37)** AI in large codebases
* **[28:22](#t=28:22)** Brought to you by Sentry.io
* **[28:46](#t=28:46)** How does AI stay current with frequent language/library updates?
* **[33:07](#t=33:07)** Behind Windsurf's fresh design
* **[35:23](#t=35:23)** Challenges with forking VS Code
* **[38:47](#t=38:47)** AI and future innovations
* **[43:04](#t=43:04)** How Windsurf approaches AI experimentation
* **[45:11](#t=45:11)** Pricing and user segments
* **[48:38](#t=48:38)** Will Windsurf ever run in the browser?
* **[50:58](#t=50:58)** Sick Pick + Shameless Plugs

### Sick Picks

- Kevin: [Ricoh GR IIIx](https://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/products/gr-3/)
- Varun: [Di2 Shifter](https://bike.shimano.com/en-AU/technologies/details/di2.html)

### Shameless Plugs

- [Windsurf](https://wind.surf)

### Hit us up on Socials!

Syntax: [X](https://twitter.com/syntaxfm) [Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/syntax_fm/) [Tiktok](https://www.tiktok.com/@syntaxfm) [LinkedIn](https://www.linkedin.com/company/96077407/admin/feed/posts/) [Threads](https://www.threads.net/@syntax_fm)

Wes: [X](https://twitter.com/wesbos) [Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/wesbos/) [Tiktok](https://www.tiktok.com/@wesbos) [LinkedIn](https://www.linkedin.com/in/wesbos/) [Threads](https://www.threads.net/@wesbos)

Scott: [X](https://twitter.com/stolinski) [Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/stolinski/) [Tiktok](https://www.tiktok.com/@stolinski) [LinkedIn](https://www.linkedin.com/in/stolinski/) [Threads](https://www.threads.net/@stolinski)

Randy: [X](https://twitter.com/randyrektor) [Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/randyrektor/) [YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/@randyrektor) [Threads](https://www.threads.net/@randyrektor)

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