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number: 854
title: “Animating the Web With Matt Perry: Exploring motion.dev”
date: 1732881600000
url: https://traffic.libsyn.com/syntax/Syntax_-_854.mp3
youtube_url: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6oXsC1gGHc
guest:
name: Matt Perry
github: mattgperry
twitter: mattgperry
of: Motion
url: https://motion.dev
---

Wes and Scott talk with Matt Perry, the creator of Motion (formerly Framer Motion). Matt discusses building intuitive tools, transitioning Motion to open source, and the future of web animation.

### Show Notes

* **[00:00](#t=00:00)** Welcome to Syntax!
* **[01:15](#t=01:15)** The Framer Motion story
* [Motion](https://motion.dev)
* **[05:16](#t=05:16)** What's the status of Framer Motion today?
* **[09:08](#t=09:08)** What tech is Motion built on?
* **[13:40](#t=13:40)** Is Motion entirely WAAPI?
* **[16:06](#t=16:06)** Why hasn't the Web Animation API gained more traction?
* **[17:46](#t=17:46)** Does Matt design his demos?
* **[19:25](#t=19:25)** Performance and testing
* **[25:34](#t=25:34)** Brought to you by [Sentry.io](https://sentry.io)
* **[28:10](#t=28:10)** Have other animation libraries influenced Motion?
* [Svelte](https://svelte.dev/)
* [GSAP](https://gsap.com/)
* [Anime.js](https://animejs.com/)
* **[31:49](#t=31:49)** Micro-Optimizations in JS
* **[36:02](#t=36:02)** How do you test frame rates?
* **[38:03](#t=38:03)** Graphics programming and shaders
* [Maxime Heckel](https://maximeheckel.com/)
* [Maxime's blog](https://blog.maximeheckel.com/)
* **[39:58](#t=39:58)** What is the future of Motion?
* **[41:42](#t=41:42)** What's the difference between layout animations and the [Vue Transition API](https://vuejs.org/guide/built-ins/transition)?
* **[46:35](#t=46:35)** Sick Picks & Shameless Plugs

### Sick Picks

- Matt:
* [Grime music](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grime_music)
* [P Money](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_Money)
* [Ghetts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghetts)

### Shameless Plugs

- Matt:
* [Motion.dev](https://motion.dev)
* [Sponsor Motion](https://motion.dev/sponsor)

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