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Issue with tutorials/forest-cover-loss-estimation/index.md #490

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ulfboge opened this issue Mar 22, 2022 · 6 comments · Fixed by #765
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Issue with tutorials/forest-cover-loss-estimation/index.md #490

ulfboge opened this issue Mar 22, 2022 · 6 comments · Fixed by #765
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ulfboge commented Mar 22, 2022

Dear GEE-community,

In the GEE Community tutorial "Forest Cover and Loss Estimation" -> "Subsequent tree cover", it says:

"You can estimate the tree cover after the loss by subtracting the loss from the previous tree cover."

When I look at globalforestwatch.org/map, under the "Caution" section on the "Tree cover loss 2001-2020" information tab, it says:

"Due to variation in research methodology and date of content, tree cover, loss, and gain data sets cannot be compared accurately against each other. Accordingly, "net" loss cannot be calculated by subtracting figures for tree cover gain from tree cover loss, and current (post-2000) tree cover cannot be determined by subtracting figures for annual tree cover loss from year 2000 tree cover."

To me, these are two contradictory statements on one type of analysis. Or am I missing something here? Is it "estimate" and " be determined" that separates the two statements?

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Johan

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jdbcode commented Mar 23, 2022

Johan, thanks for flagging the issue (and moving the info here 😃) . I'll look more closely and propose some ways to resolve it by the end of the week.

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ulfboge commented Apr 7, 2022

Dear Justin,
Just wanted to check-in on the progress of this issue? :)
Thanks,
Johan

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jdbcode commented Jun 15, 2022

@nkeikon, do you have any thoughts on how we should resolve this?

I think all of the operations in the tutorial are generically useful, so I do not think the analyses should change.

Some options:

  1. Do nothing.

Then we assume that people will educate themselves on the limitations of the dataset before publishing any results.

  1. Change to a dataset that is designed for inter-observation comparison.

I think this would be too much work to alter the code, text, graphics, interpretation, etc.

  1. Add a note stating ~"we acknowledge that <message from above>; the dataset is used to demonstrate analyses and introduce Earth Engine concepts"

I think this is my vote. We don't have to change anything in a big way and we don't have to assume that people will know the limitations of the dataset.

  1. ???

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nkeikon commented Jun 16, 2022

@jdbcode, thanks for tagging and suggesting good options!

As you said, this tutorial is meant to provide tools to conduct the analysis and the datasets should be any that's most suited. In reality, when the government conducts this type of analyses, they typically have a wall-to-wall national tree cover map (For more information and examples, please see FREL submissions by countries). Many of them still use the Hansen datasets to varying degree, but when they do, they correct bias with statistical sampling. What I mean by saying all this is that the proper analyses for the subject matter takes a lot more than what the tutorial provides, which is to show how to incorporate the tree loss in estimating the administratively defined 'forest' cover by coding.

I think that it's a good idea to add the acknowledgement (option 3). I'd also add a few sentences when we are introducing the datasets.

In the subsection starting with 'Tree cover', it says:

Currently, Google Earth Engine has several tree cover datasets in the catalogue, including the Global Forest Change (GFC) (year 2000) and GLCF: Landsat Tree Cover Continuous Fields (2000, 2005, and 2010). Here, we use the Global Forest Change dataset.

Instead the above, what do you think about saying something like:

We need a tree cover map to start this analysis. It is important to select a tree cover map that is appropriate for the purpose and scope of your research. In this tutorial, we select one from the Google Earth Engine catalogue, which currently has several tree cover datasets in the catalogue, including the Global Forest Change (GFC) (year 2000) and GLCF: Landsat Tree Cover Continuous Fields (2000, 2005, and 2010). Here, we use the Global Forest Change dataset*.
*"We acknowledge that #490 (comment); the dataset is used to demonstrate analyses and introduce Earth Engine concepts"

Thanks so much for your help!

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jdbcode commented Jun 16, 2022

This all sounds great, Keiko, thanks!
I'm just about to be off on vacation for a week, so will need to make the change after I return.
I'll run the pull request by you.

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jdbcode commented Dec 19, 2023

@gino-m please review #765

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